KIC 8462852 Hereford Arizona Observatory Photometry Observations #10
Bruce Gary, Last updated: 2020.10.27, 03 UT

An abrupt dip began a couple days ago, and appears to have ended. At g' band it was ~ 1.5 % deep (at r' band depth was less, at i' band depth even less). This latest abrupt dip is superimposed upon a shallow dip (~ 0.5 %) that began 11 days ago. These two dips were embedded within a 6-month slow decrease in brightness. The slow decrease fade amount varies with wavelength in a way that is consistent with an obscuring optically thin dust cloud dominated by small particles (greater fade at shorter wavelengths). This is just like dip behavior. So we now know that both the short fade events, or dips (lasting a few days), and the long-term variations (lasting months), can be explained using models of optically thin dust clouds dominated by small particles.

Links on this web page

    g', r' & i' magnitudes vs. date (for last 2 months & last year) 
  List of observing sessions (starting 2019 Oct 04)
    Finder image (showing my ref stars) 
    The Big Picture .
    My collaboration policy

Links on another web page

    HAO precision explained (580 ppm) 
    DASCH comment  

    This is the 10th web page devoted to my observations of Tabby's Star for the date interval 2020.09.27 to present.

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    Reference Star Quality Assessment  (the 10 best stars out of 25 evaluated)  
g', r' and i' Mag's vs. Date

Figure 1
HAO g', r' and i'-magnitudes for the past month. The horizontal dashed lines are suggestions for OOT levels, set to the brightest magnitudes observed during the past two years (when I began observing in three bands).

Figure 2. HAO g', r' and i'-magnitudes for the past year. The g' trace from JD4 9000 to 9120 are from Sjoed Dufoer's AAVSO-submitted V band magnitudes (shift adjusted to match my g'-mags, and smoothed). The r' and i' traces are departures from the respective OOT levels multiplied by the g'-mag departures from the g' OOT level. The multipliers for r' band and i' band are 0.56  and 0.40. In other words, the r' and i' fade amounts are 56 and 40 % of the g' fade amounts.

Here's my suggestion for understanding the previous two figures:
1) During the past two years there was a 10-day interval (early November, 2019) when all bands were at their maximum brightness. I interpret these to be OOT levels (no dust clouds, just an unobstructed view of the star).
2) There are two components of dust cloud: broad, producing slow fades of brightness (month timescale) and small, producing brief fades (a few days timescale).
3) Both dust cloud components have similar "particle size distributions" (PSDs) that are dominated by small particles (< 0.5 micron radius), so they produce greater fades at shorter wavelengths.
4) The fade ratios for r' to g' and i' to g' would be the same for all dust clouds if they had the same PSDs. Since specific dust cloud PSDs may differ the observed ratios may vary over time.
5) On the assumption that all dust clouds have the same PSD it should be possible to predict r' and i' fade amounts by multiplying the g' fade amount by fixed ratios.
6) So far it appears that the fixed ratios are 0.54 and 0.40. These values should provide a constraint
on PSD functions. (I need help with that.)

The overall conclusion from these observations is that both the short-timescale dipping and long-timescale variations are caused by dust clouds dominated by small particles!

Figure 3. Comparison of Sjoed Dufoer's AAVSO-submitted V band magnitudes and my g' band magnitudes (shifted for approximate "agreement").

ASASS SN B band measurements support the above fade variation (as Rafik Bourne has determined).

List of Observations (for all earlier observations, before 2020.09.27 go to link)



Daily Observing Session Information (most recent at top)


Observations still underway.






I have the image sets for i' in case they need to be processed.


I have the image sets for r' & i' in case they need to be processed.













Finder Image

Figure 5.1. Finder image showing the 17 reference stars that I use. KIC846 is in the blue square. FOV = 15.6 x 10.5 'arc, NE at upper-left.

The Big Picture

What is the overall character of KIC846 brightness variations?

I like to distinguish between short-term and long-term variations. The short-term variations are referred to as "dips." The dips last a few days typically. By long-term I refer to whatever is left over after removing the dip data. The long-term data can have variations with timescales of months to years. The next plot covers a 14 year interval and includes both Kepler and ground-based data, and it shows long-term variations (red model traces).

Figure 6.1. 14 years of Kepler and ground-based measurements. The black dots are Kepler data with dips removed; these data show the long-term variation during the 4 years of Kepler observations. Starting in 2017 (with only ground-based data) the dip and long-term data are shown with different symbols. None of Tabby's LCO data are shown (because a digital version of this data is not in the public domain) and none of the AAVSO data are shown (because most of it is noisy and adding the less noisy data would make the plot too "busy").  

Figure 6.2. Ground-based HAO g' measurements during the past 3 years (plus TESS).

Figure 6.3. Ground-based HAO g', r' & i' measurements during previous (2018/19) observing season.

Now let's return to the Kepler data that has long-term variations removed, allowing us to see just the short-term ("dip") activity.

Figure 6.5a. Kepler short-term version of data for the entire 4-year of Kepler observations.

Figure 6.5b. Same Kepler data but with an expanded normalized flux scale.

Figure 6.5c. Last 3 months of Kepler data showing the one set of dips with a complex and sometimes deep dipping structure.

As an aside, allow me to show what TESS observed recently:

Let's do the same removal of long-term variations for recent ground-based data.

Figure 6.7. Ground-based (HAO) data, plus TESS data, with long-term variations removed (showing only dip activity) for the 3 years preceding this observing season.

Figure 6.8. Ground-based (HAO) data with long-term variations removed (showing only dip activity) for the last 2 months of last year's observing season.

Other ground-based data exists but some of it is not in the public domain in digital form (LCO data) and I apologize to the AAVSO observers with data that is not included above. I'll try to add some AAVSO data if I get time for processing and selecting it.

Note, as Rafik Bourne pointed-out to me, TESS is sensitive to just long wavelengths (Rc/Ic/z') which does not include g'-band, and since dip depth is consistently less at longer wavelengths TESS dip depths will always be less than g'-band depths. For example, in the above figure the TESS dip showing depth = 1.2 % would probably have been observed with a g' filter to have a depth of 2.0 or 2.5 %.

We can now ask the question: Are the long-term and short-term (dip) activities for the past 3 years similar or different from what Kepler observed during 4 years?

Long-term Variation Differences

Referring back to an earlier figure, repeated here, the long term variation during the past 3 years has been considerably greater than during Kepler's 4 years of measurements.

Repeat of Figure 6.1. The Kepler data with dip activity removed (black dots) exhibit just one large change (2.2 %) following a slow fade (1 %). The ground-based data, starting in 2017, exhibit several changes, or variations, each about 1 % but adding up to ~ 3.5 % during 3 years.      

Short-Term (Dip Activity) Differences

Again, there are significant differences between the Kepler 4-year record of dip activity and the 3-year record of ground-based dip activity. Consider the following figure showing the two "short-term only data" using the same scale for normalized flux but with the ground-based data shifted in time.

Figure 6.9. Comparing dip activity of Kepler and ground-based (HAO) data (i.e., long-term variations removed). The HAO data was shifted 7.9 years (to earlier dates).

It is apparent in this comparison plot of dip activity that the past 3 years have exhibited more short-term ("dip") activity than a comparable 3-year interval of Kepler data. Another difference is that during the Kepler dates when dips were present they could be much deeper!

Physical Model Speculations

A possible explanation for this dip activity pattern (in the above figure) is that the Kepler observations were closer in time to an event, such as a collision, that created a well-defined cluster of dust-producing fragments within an orbit, and during the course of 8 years the fragments have dispersed along the orbit. The total amount of light blocking dust may have not changed much, but since fragment-based dust clouds spread apart over time they produce more dips with lower depth. 

The long-term variations in brightness that seem to have increased during the past 8 years (cf. Fig. 6.1 and its repeat) could be caused by 1) reflection of starlight when the dust cloud is on the far side of the star, or 2) forward scattering when the dust cloud is on the near side of the star (close to our line-of-sight). With a more spread-out configuration of dust clouds there is less chance of one cloud blocking the reflection, or forward scattering, of another cloud.

Keep in mind that these are speculations by an amateur; actual modeling of these and other ideas are needed by more-qualified people. 

My Collaboration Policy

At my age of 80 I'm entitled to have fun and avoid work. Photometric observing and figuring things out are fun. Writing papers is work. So if anyone wants to use any of my observations for a publication you're welcome to do so. But please don't invite me for co-authorship!

My light curve observations are "in the public domain." This means anyone can and may download my LC observations, and use (or misuse) any of that data for whatever purpose. If my data is essential to any publication just mention this in the acknowledgement section.


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    Wright, Jason T., "A Reassessment of Families of Solutions to the Puzzle of Boyajian's Star," arXiv  (a 1.1-page paper)
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    Neslusan & Budaj web site with animation of their way of explaining Kepler D1540 dip:
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    Grindlay interview about Schaefer's assertion that KIC846 exhibited a century long fade using DASCH data: link
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    Washington Post article, 2015.10.15: link
    AAVSO Campaign Notice requesting KIC646 observations
    AAVSO LC Generator (enter KIC 8462852)
    Web page tutorial: Tips for amateurs observating faint asteroids (useful for any photometry observing)
    Book: Exoplanet Observing for Amateurs, Gary (2014): link (useful for any photometry observing) 
    wikipedia description of Tabby's Star  
    My web pages master list, resume

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